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Yes. That is exactly what these vaccines accomplish.

Unfortunately, you are interpreting the word "immunity" there to mean 100% immunity from infection but that is not an accurate interpretation of what it actually means.
They provide almost zero immunity. Your are Equally likely to contact the virus with or without being vaccinated.
 
I know it’s anecdotal, but my brother in law hosted Christmas Eve for his wife’s family…18 total. They all did rapid tests that afternoon before arriving. All are vaccinated. Now over half have come down with COVID….varying degrees of symptoms. It’s blowing through our company…more positives than at any point of the pandemic. Hopefully this maxes out in the next few weeks.
 
I have been following scientist Eric Topol very close since the beginning of this pandemic. He has been realistic and thought we were going in the right direction. When I see him posting tweets like this, I know we are definitely heading in the wrong direction of this pandemic.

Not sure how people can still say omicron is not as severe. Our countries covid hospitalizations are going through the roof.



 
They provide almost zero immunity. Your are Equally likely to contact the virus with or without being vaccinated.

Data doesn’t support that so far.


Though to be fair, there is a lag on CDC reporting so we don’t know really know how Omicron is impacting that. Also lots of at home tests now as well.
 
Uh oh, don't tell the CDC! Will be interesting to see how they either spin this negatively or try to bury it.


CDC said J&J was effective, but believed the negative side effects were more prevalent so they recommended the others.

If you assume that is correct for a moment, what should the CDC do with that information?
 
Negative side effects are just as prevalent, if not more so, in the others. CDC and others in government are actively trying to suppress J&J. Have to take care of their buddies at Pfizer.
 
Negative side effects are just as prevalent, if not more so, in the others. CDC and others in government are actively trying to suppress J&J. Have to take care of their buddies at Pfizer.

They concluded differently and provided their reasoning in the report which seemed valid. J&J slightly more effective vs Covid but the potential side effects were more severe.

You believe the CDC and all of the employees who had input into that report are all lying.

Do you have some data to support that?
 
They concluded differently and provided their reasoning in the report which seemed valid. J&J slightly more effective vs Covid but the potential side effects were more severe.

You believe the CDC and all of the employees who had input into that report are all lying.

Do you have some data to support that?
CDC is a bureaucracy. They say what the the money tells them to say. Pfizer and Moderna outspent J&J by a factor of 10 in Washington lobbying.
 
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CDC is a bureaucracy. They say what the the money tells them to say. Pfizer and Moderna outspent J&J by a factor of 10 in Washington lobbying.

Again, your relying on many people here to be involved in a fairly large conspiracy. People who work with data and are not involved with the politics at all… and they are on board with lying to you because Pfizer needs to capture some of the market share from J&J who had like 1.5% market share? Really?

You’re free to believe that, or you can believe that there is some truth to the mRNA vaccines having less severe side effects.
 
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Why do you try to twist everything into a conspiracy pretzel? It's just the way government does business. Pfizer pays a ton of money in lobbying, the USG purchased tons of vaccine doses. Now the USG has to make sure they get used and they don't go to waste to get that ROI. So government pushes one over the other. Really not that hard to see.
 
Why do you try to twist everything into a conspiracy pretzel? It's just the way government does business. Pfizer pays a ton of money in lobbying, the USG purchased tons of vaccine doses. Now the USG has to make sure they get used and they don't go to waste to get that ROI. So government pushes one over the other. Really not that hard to see.

You are literally claiming that the government is saying Pfizer and Moderna have less side effects than J&J because of

That is the definition of a conspiracy and it would require so many normal every day government workers to be in on it.

The government doesn’t need any ROI at all. They don’t benefit if the doses go unused.

It’s just your theory, and it really doesn’t hold up logically. Pfizer doesn’t care about getting an additional 1% of the vaccine market, and even if they did… the hundreds of employees gathering data and contributing to the report don’t care about Pfizer.
 
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All I'm saying is the government is pushing Pfizer above all else. Why do you think that is?
 
Again, your relying on many people here to be involved in a fairly large conspiracy. People who work with data and are not involved with the politics at all… and they are on board with lying to you because Pfizer needs to capture some of the market share from J&J who had like 1.5% market share? Really?

You’re free to believe that, or you can believe that there is some truth to the mRNA vaccines having less severe side effects.
I’ll go with option A, the CDC is a lying bureaucracy. You’re not getting your info from the people working with data. You’re getting it from the head bureaucrat.
 
All I'm saying is the government is pushing Pfizer above all else. Why do you think that is?

I don’t necessarily agree with that. I think the message is “get vaccinated”. Second messaging is that mRNA is the better option. Haven’t really seen people pushing Pfizer over Moderna.
 
Essex county is in the red. Will Seton Hall/ Prudential Center still allow 15,000+ fans in the rock on Saturday? If so, is this good for the overall public health?

 
You are literally claiming that the government is saying Pfizer and Moderna have less side effects than J&J because of

That is the definition of a conspiracy and it would require so many normal every day government workers to be in on it.

The government doesn’t need any ROI at all. They don’t benefit if the doses go unused.

It’s just your theory, and it really doesn’t hold up logically. Pfizer doesn’t care about getting an additional 1% of the vaccine market, and even if they did… the hundreds of employees gathering data and contributing to the report don’t care about Pfizer.
There have been whistleblowers from a Pfizer claiming adverse event data on humanized mice has been withheld . MSM will never talk about it.
 
There have been whistleblowers from a Pfizer claiming adverse event data on humanized mice has been withheld . MSM will never talk about it.

Different discussion there.

The cdc used real world human adverse event data in their report, not trial data involving mice.
 
Different discussion there.

The cdc used real world human adverse event data in their report, not trial data involving mice.
Seriously? You think they fixed those issues? Study I saw shows 90% of people receiving the vaccine show some level of myocarditis. 80% of those were Pfizer Moderna vaccinated. Do some research and stop taking the word of this corrupt bureaucracy.
 
Seriously? You think they fixed those issues?

Not sure what you mean by "those issues".

A potential issue at Pfizer and mice isn't really relevant to the discussion about the CDC monitoring actual humans over the last year.


Study I saw shows 90% of people receiving the vaccine show some level of myocarditis. 80% of those were Pfizer Moderna vaccinated. Do some research and stop taking the word of this corrupt bureaucracy.

LOL!!! 90%?
That's absurd. Find the study and post it.

I love how you go with "do some research" after posting something so crazy.

Here's an actual study on myocarditis after vaccination.


54 cases out of 2.5 million people vaccinated. 41 mild, 12 intermediate, 1 severe.
 
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I don’t necessarily agree with that. I think the message is “get vaccinated”. Second messaging is that mRNA is the better option. Haven’t really seen people pushing Pfizer over Moderna.
Why get vaccinated? Omicron is less severe and vaccines do practically nothing. German study shows 96% of omicron cases are in fully vaccinated 30% of those are boosted. We’re never going to create a vaccine to this type of virus. We should be focusing on therapeutics. Stop the lockdowns and masks, they don’t work. At some point we’re all getting this. You can’t hide. I understand I’m the beginning how we handled dealing with the CCP bio weapon. We now know how to test it so let’s move on with life.
 
Whose burner account is Pirate94 lol. Created last week, sad state of affairs here on LOTS
 
Per NJ..com, it is starting to look a lot like last year again.

@Merge I thought you said we would no longer need mitigation efforts once the safe and effective vaccines were available to everyone?

 
Per NJ..com, it is starting to look a lot like last year again.

@Merge I thought you said we would no longer need mitigation efforts once the safe and effective vaccines were available to everyone?

Problem is the jab was never safe or effective. On top of that the virus has mutated into little more than a severe cold. We’ll all get it at some point. Treat it like a flu and you’ll be fine if you have no other health issues. I know 3 couples that got it over Christmas. All are doing fine. A day or 2 of aches and fever then a head cold. CDC just relaxed “quarantine” guideline to 5 days. Doesn’t that tell you something? Get back to your lives.
 
Covid hospitalizations have increased by 2,000 in a week. We are now over 5,000 covid related hospitalizations. I thought omicron was supposed to be more mild according to the doctors and epidemiologists on this board? NJ hasn't seen 5,000 hospitalizations since the early months of this pandemic. I did warn about this surge.

 
Vaccines are both safe and effective.



That part is true.
How can you call a “vaccine” effective when over 90% of the current cases are among the fully vaccinated? As far as safety, there are known side effects, some severe and that is only what we know now. I’m concerned what we’ll find out in five years since there have never been any long term studies.
 
How can you call a “vaccine” effective when over 90% of the current cases are among the fully vaccinated? As far as safety, there are known side effects, some severe and that is only what we know now. I’m concerned what we’ll find out in five years since there have never been any long term studies.
merge already explained this. its a simple data equation. plus, cases are meaningless in terms of the word "effective"
 
merge already explained this. its a simple data equation. plus, cases are meaningless in terms of the word "effective"
BS. Explained nothing. Just regurgitating media talking points which are to Leo moving the goal posts. First, get vaccinated it will stop the virus. You can’t get our once vaccinated, you can’t transmit it once vaccinated. Both lies. I know people now with Covid. One vaccinated, the other not. The unvaccinated had a fever for one additional day than the vaccinated. Is that your definition of effective? I’ll pass.
 
BS. Explained nothing. Just regurgitating media talking points which are to Leo moving the goal posts. First, get vaccinated it will stop the virus. You can’t get our once vaccinated, you can’t transmit it once vaccinated. Both lies. I know people now with Covid. One vaccinated, the other not. The unvaccinated had a fever for one additional day than the vaccinated. Is that your definition of effective? I’ll pass.
no he explained how to read and interpret data . which youre failing at.

btw omicron isnt the only version of covid thats existed lol. howd the unvaxxed do with earlier versions? how are they doing overall? i dont even know where to begin with you. youd be better off throwing darts at a board to develop an argument
 
no he explained how to read and interpret data . which youre failing at.

btw omicron isnt the only version of covid thats existed lol. howd the unvaxxed do with earlier versions? how are they doing overall? i dont even know where to begin with you. youd be better off throwing darts at a board to develop an argument
Fine if they weren’t obese.
 
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but they are, and whats happened to the obese vaccinated ones? theyre not dying. so that solves that.
No, we now know how to treat them. We now have therapeutics that are effective. We always have but we’re prevented from using them due to politics and profits.
 
No, we now know how to treat them. We now have therapeutics that are effective. We always have but we’re prevented from using them due to politics and profits.
and the vaccines. vaccines are essentiallt indefeated in the modern world. they always help.
 
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