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25% of Americans will not take COVID Vaccine

sami said:
With these shots they never said that? Logic my friend.

Novel virus, not exactly familiar to them, unknown how it would mutate... I agree with you that this is overblown in the media. These variants are no different than the annual flu strains, slight mutations in the virus that cause it to attack slightly differently. It's not a stretch that an annual booster would be necessary to combat changes.

It's just they put silly words on this shit. VARIANT THIS, BOOSTER THAT. If we named every friggin flu variant and blasted it on the news, and then talked about how the prior year's flu shot was INEFFECIVE AGAINST THE NEW VARIANT and an ANNUAL FLU BOOSTER would be available, that is absolutely no different. But this shit is sensationalized and it glues people to cable news. And that sells advertising dollars.
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Fair point. I find it curious that they spent all last summer telling us the virus was not and had not mutated and now all of a sudden we have all these "variants" running around.

You're right, it's all marketing and branding. Have to keep the population in check lol.
 
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shufan1993 said:
Also, auditor told me we would easily get to 70% vax rate. It does not look like that.
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Here's the thread.

Future NJ Vaccination Numbers are not good

Vaccine demand dwindling in NJ. Will be way below 70% goal set by Murphy admin by June end. All counties are currently below 1. @Merge Thoughts? You claim that you are a data guy. The data does not look good.
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We were talking about 70% of NJ adults which you thought was unobtainable which we exceeded as I told you we would.
 
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hmm... vaccines seem effective. 99.99% effective against hospitalization?

any comments on financial markets?
 
@shufan1993 I’m awaiting your market analysis of the last 2 days. 2 days ago you declared we were in the midst of a major sell off and that the market feared the Delta variant. Please explain the snapback of the last two days erasing those losses and the market’s feeling toward Lambda. Also, please provide your sage financial advise for the upcoming quarters that should be on par with your other Covid lunacy. Thank you.
 
sami said:
@shufan1993 I’m awaiting your market analysis of the last 2 days. 2 days ago you declared we were in the midst of a major sell off and that the market feared the Delta variant. Please explain the snapback of the last two days erasing those losses and the market’s feeling toward Lambda. Also, please provide your sage financial advise for the upcoming quarters that should be on par with your other Covid lunacy. Thank you.
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I was just posting what experts were saying. Why are you getting mad at me, brother? A couple good days doesn't mean we are in the clear. I thought you were supposed to block me a few months ago? Carry on
 
shufan1993 said:
I was just posting what experts were saying. Why are you getting mad at me, brother? A couple good days doesn't mean we are in the clear. I thought you were supposed to block me a few months ago? Carry on
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You and your experts. You post useless shit and even your experts dispute the stuff you say because you don’t read the entire article. You’re a dope.
 
www.cnn.com

Biden health officials begin discussing mask recommendations as variants surge cases | CNN Politics

Top Biden health officials and some White House officials are holding preliminary conversations on revising mask recommendations for vaccinated Americans as the Delta variant spreads throughout the US, according to multiple sources familiar with discussions.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

@Merge It appears the president might be changing his tune on masks. Looks like he will be recommending masks for everyone in indoor facilities in the next couple days.
 
Shapiro is right. If we will have to wear masks again, there is something not right with the purpose of the vaccines.

 
shufan1993 said:
www.cnn.com

Biden health officials begin discussing mask recommendations as variants surge cases | CNN Politics

Top Biden health officials and some White House officials are holding preliminary conversations on revising mask recommendations for vaccinated Americans as the Delta variant spreads throughout the US, according to multiple sources familiar with discussions.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com

@Merge It appears the president might be changing his tune on masks. Looks like he will be recommending masks for everyone in indoor facilities in the next couple days.
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Not happening.
 
Another day of bad numbers from the garden state. Ms Judy also did mention she could see "a real good possibility" of the CDC recommending masking again for vaccinated individuals in indoor public places.
@Merge But apparently you said this won't happen. I guess you know more than ms Judy and the CDC?

www.nj.com

N.J. COVID cases now top 900K as state reports 750 more positive tests, 4 more deaths

“The numbers, unfortunately, are going up,” Gov. Phil Murphy said Thursday.
www.nj.com www.nj.com
 
shufan1993 said:
Another day of bad numbers from the garden state. Ms Judy also did mention she could see "a real good possibility" of the CDC recommending masking again for vaccinated individuals in indoor public places.
@Merge But apparently you said this won't happen. I guess you know more than ms Judy and the CDC?

www.nj.com

N.J. COVID cases now top 900K as state reports 750 more positive tests, 4 more deaths

“The numbers, unfortunately, are going up,” Gov. Phil Murphy said Thursday.
www.nj.com www.nj.com
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We're fully open. Of course cases would go up.
This was the point all along... in NJ, the far majority of people at risk have been vaccinated which is why hospitalizations and deaths are so low.

Eventually, it appears that you have two options. Get vaccinated or get Covid.
 
Merge said:
We're fully open. Of course cases would go up.
This was the point all along... in NJ, the far majority of people at risk have been vaccinated which is why hospitalizations and deaths are so low.

Eventually, it appears that you have two options. Get vaccinated or get Covid.
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How about people that already had covid? Just tell them to get the vaccine and allow no questions even if natural immunity lasts a long time?
 
shufan1993 said:
How about people that already had covid? Just tell them to get the vaccine and allow no questions even if natural immunity lasts a long time?
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Who isn't allowing questions?
If they are at risk, they should get vaccinated because we don't know enough yet to say how effective and how long natural immunity would be. If they aren't at risk, whatever they want.
 
Great point from the president about when children 12 and under will be able to get a vaccine. I couldn't have said it better myself, Mr President!

 
@Merge Cases reported yesterday 803. Ms Judy said once we hit 1000 cases a day, "That's when you could see mask mandates again". When did cases start to be the indicator for masks? Ms Judy did mention hospitalizations are a lagging indicator and she expects an increase in the next couple months.

Pretty much what my doctor friend has told me. Hospitals have been preparing for an August-October surge. Fully vaccinated count of covid hospitalizations at my doctors friend hospital is 42. He told me it is concerning because they are seeing healthy people in late 20's/30 that have no underlying conditions and fully vaccinated.

www.nj.com

N.J. reports 4 COVID deaths, 803 cases. Hospitalizations top 400 patients.

The state’s seven-day average for confirmed positive COVID-19 tests is now 582, up 64% from a week ago and 218% from a month ago.
www.nj.com www.nj.com
 
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shufan1993 said:
Pretty much what my doctor friend has told me. Hospitals have been preparing for an August-October surge. Fully vaccinated count of covid hospitalizations at my doctors friend hospital is 42. He told me it is concerning because they are seeing healthy people in late 20's/30 that have no underlying conditions and fully vaccinated.
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Your "doctor friend" told you that 10% of all Covid Hospitalizations in NJ are vaccinated AND at their 1 hospital?

Which hospital?
 
Can someone explain to me how unvaccinated people getting sick should impact everyone that has gotten the vaccine? Just let them get sick. They’ve accepted the risks and made their decision. Why does it matter to everyone else and why should we start going back to masks and potential more restrictions? Is there something science related I’m missing about why people not being vaccinated matters to the overall population at this point? Especially since it is now proven that vaccinated people still contract and spread Covid but are very unlikely to have severe reactions or require hospitalization?
 
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setoniansource said:
Can someone explain to me how unvaccinated people getting sick should impact everyone that has gotten the vaccine? Just let them get sick. They’ve accepted the risks and made their decision. Why does it matter to everyone else and why should we start going back to masks and potential more restrictions? Is there something science related I’m missing about why people not being vaccinated matters to the overall population at this point? Especially since it is now proven that vaccinated people still contract and spread Covid but are very unlikely to have severe reactions or require hospitalization?
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The virus will mutate. As long as we have large unvaccinated, its very possible we will have a variant that totally evades the vaccines. At that point we coule possibly be back at the point of March 2020.
 
So other than potential variants, which until the rest of the world catches up with vaccines I think isn’t a US issue, any other reason?
 
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setoniansource said:
Can someone explain to me how unvaccinated people getting sick should impact everyone that has gotten the vaccine? Just let them get sick. They’ve accepted the risks and made their decision. Why does it matter to everyone else and why should we start going back to masks and potential more restrictions? Is there something science related I’m missing about why people not being vaccinated matters to the overall population at this point? Especially since it is now proven that vaccinated people still contract and spread Covid but are very unlikely to have severe reactions or require hospitalization?
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Stop being so logical….
 
HallBall02 said:
Not all folks think like you. Me and many other responsible parents believe it’s negligent to not masks your kids in indoor public places including schools when they are unvaxxed.

So as long as we are revealing personal opinions, I also think those ppl that think masking kids are ABUSE are in fact idiots, extremely selfish and/or probably those who watch too much Fox News and their brains are warped by their propaganda.
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So I was maybe wrong on a consensus. Many responsible parents disagree with you. And some people seem to take things a touch too personal. Your last paragraph is a joke.
 
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setoniansource said:
Can someone explain to me how unvaccinated people getting sick should impact everyone that has gotten the vaccine? Just let them get sick. They’ve accepted the risks and made their decision. Why does it matter to everyone else and why should we start going back to masks and potential more restrictions? Is there something science related I’m missing about why people not being vaccinated matters to the overall population at this point? Especially since it is now proven that vaccinated people still contract and spread Covid but are very unlikely to have severe reactions or require hospitalization?
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Because it's not about a virus. Never has been.

You're right. There are no reasons for any restrictions. Unvaccinated assume the risk, vaccinated are protected.
 
setoniansource said:
Can someone explain to me how unvaccinated people getting sick should impact everyone that has gotten the vaccine? Just let them get sick. They’ve accepted the risks and made their decision. Why does it matter to everyone else and why should we start going back to masks and potential more restrictions? Is there something science related I’m missing about why people not being vaccinated matters to the overall population at this point? Especially since it is now proven that vaccinated people still contract and spread Covid but are very unlikely to have severe reactions or require hospitalization?
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I'm on board with the need for restrictions at this point.

Just a shame that there are so many people who are putting their own lives at risk because of some bullshit conspiracy theories. Hospitals in areas with lower vaccination rates are getting hit again. I feel bad for the doctors and nurses who thought this was over and now have to deal with another wave in these areas.
 
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Merge said:
I'm on board with the need for restrictions at this point.

Just a shame that there are so many people who are putting their own lives at risk because of some bullshit conspiracy theories. Hospitals in areas with lower vaccination rates are getting hit again. I feel bad for the doctors and nurses who thought this was over and now have to deal with another wave in these areas.
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You can say that just about any disease. People make their own personal decisions about their health every day that are just poor. And in some cases others and the healthcare professionals have to deal with it.

I was in the store yesterday and there was a 300 pound plus cashier doing a transaction with 300 pound plus customer. In between sheet of plexiglass. Irony.
 
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Merge said:
I'm on board with the need for restrictions at this point.

Just a shame that there are so many people who are putting their own lives at risk because of some bullshit conspiracy theories. Hospitals in areas with lower vaccination rates are getting hit again. I feel bad for the doctors and nurses who thought this was over and now have to deal with another wave in these areas.
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This is my question though, why do we need restrictions? If the vaccine keeps almost everyone out of the hospital then why impose restrictions? No one seems to have an answer to the scientific reason for why.
 
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HALL85 said:
You can say that just about any disease. People make their own personal decisions about their health every day that are just poor. And in some cases others and the healthcare professionals have to deal with it.

I was in the store yesterday and there was a 300 pound plus cashier doing a transaction with 300 pound plus customer. In between sheet of plexiglass. Irony.
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Right, but again, those things are not contagious so they don’t really have the same impact to healthcare workers.
Also, I believe you have been saying the government should be doing more to fight heart disease and drug use, right? Not like we should just throw in the towel on any of these... we should be promoting education and prevention with heart disease.
 
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setoniansource said:
This is my question though, why do we need restrictions? If the vaccine keeps almost everyone out of the hospital then why impose restrictions? No one seems to have an answer to the scientific reason for why.
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Can you clarify what you mean? what restrictions are you talking about? I haven’t really noticed any this summer except for being at the museum of natural history last week where they required masks. That kind of makes sense though, since there are so many kids under 12 that go.
 
Merge said:
Can you clarify what you mean? what restrictions are you talking about? I haven’t really noticed any this summer except for being at the museum of natural history last week where they required masks. That kind of makes sense though, since there are so many kids under 12 that go.
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Buy this contradicts your two points you’ve consistently made: that vax is to protect everyone particularly those at risk and at this point everyone at risk plus many who aren’t have had the opportunity to get the vax.
 
Hallsome said:
Buy this contradicts your two points you’ve consistently made: that vax is to protect everyone particularly those at risk and at this point everyone at risk plus many who aren’t have had the opportunity to get the vax.
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I just agreed with the poster above that we don’t need restrictions now.

I have no issue with a museum requiring masks because children can’t be vaccinated yet, so parents can’t make the choice of there children should be vaccinated or not.
 
Not necessarily in New Jersey or widespread yet but look at Los Angeles County and St. Louis putting mask requirements back in place. What is the reasoning for this?
 
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setoniansource said:
Not necessarily in New Jersey or widespread yet but look at Los Angeles County and St. Louis putting mask requirements back in place. What is the reasoning for this?
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Probably lower rates of vaccinations resulting in larger spikes in hospitalizations?

Missouri has 6 out of the top 10 worst Covid hospitalizations per capita in the entire country and LA county has seen significant growth in hospitalizations.

To your point, the "scientific" answer could be that they are trying to mitigate the impact to their health systems.
 
Merge said:
I just agreed with the poster above that we don’t need restrictions now.

I have no issue with a museum requiring masks because children can’t be vaccinated yet, so parents can’t make the choice of there children should be vaccinated or not.
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Got it, you understand the contradiction.
 
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