It might, but he won't have any funding from the RNC. Who's going to pay for that? Not Trump.
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what does he need to pay for this time? he has enough loyal trumpers to make a dent in the rep vote
Well first of all, you have to get on the ballot. That takes people and money and time. Trump is good at spending other peoples money...not his own. Even if he gets on the ballot, how much money do you really think he's going to raise as an independent? This was a mid-term election and $6.4 billion was spent in advertising alone. That will pale to 2024. Do some critical thinking.....
He probably doesn't need nearly as much $ as other candidates because every network will cover him 24/7. And yes I think he totally could sink 2024 by running as a third-party. He just needs to go away for the good of the country.
im saying he doesnt need to raise any to make a dent in the republican vote. all he needs is the name trump on the ticket and his moron fanbase will vote for him. you think otherwise?
Hasn't even announced yet and already has over 100 million of other people's money in campaign contributions ready to go. Money won't be an issue for Trump.
Haha, dumbasses created a monster by standing by him (and his like) for so long.
Going have to deal with it now 🤣
Going have to deal with it now 🤣
Wouldn't be for another year and a half at minimum before he would do that if it played out that way. All while other republicans are going to be hesitant to jump in against him and the RNC will be forced to support him early on. He will have raise plenty of money during the primary and he is the king of generating free press so won't have to spend much of it at all until the general election. Just like in 2016.
It's going to be a complete shit show.
Again, best case for republicans is that he is indicted. Otherwise I just don't see him as a team player who gets out of the way to support another candidate.
If he is involved in any way it’s going to be a shit show.
Team player? That ain’t happening.
I don’t see him getting much airtime on Fox going forward. Murdoch sounds like he’s done with him.
I could be wrong, but after this cycle, I don’t see that many people fearing him.
You seem happy about this. Do you think that's a good thing? I'm tired of the political climate. I don't want this sideshow to go on for another 2 years. I want the most competent candidates for both sides to run. Post-Trump has been infinitely worse for the country than most of his Presidency, when you account for where the economy was pre-pandemic.
Because some people only care about their team, and not about real positions or solutions. We should all want the most capable and competent leaders. It’s obvious who has been most effected by the social media echo chambers when you see a post like that.
Dont listen to the typically incorrect Hall85, the guy wouldn’t know the truth if it it knocked him in his face.
I do feel your frustration tho. I’m lifelong a moderate conservative who with entry of Trump in 2016 felt abandoned by the GOP, nationally anyway. My local GOP has been mostly ok.
Unfortunately, there will be a generation of young people who will never vote GOP bc of this mess. The leadership in the GOP that stood by Trump and far right MAGA.
I try to vote for all moderate conservative left but there are so few of them now.
The way you feel now is how i have felt for the last 6 plus years.
I laugh bc most of the knuckleheads on this board took a blind eye to all of the craziness of Trump and now they are like I don’t want this craziness. Where was the outrage years ago?
I’m ready for this current gross GOP to burn down to and for a respectable Reagan type to rise from the ashes. Stop running on insane social issues and run on being fiscal responsible, lower taxes, etc.
Hope Liz Cheney somehow becomes speaker of house and Hogan wins primary in 2024.
Trump running is a nightmare for true conservatives and a celebration for Dems. Dems are the most happy that he is running - what does that tell you? He is only out for himself. While the Biden presidency has been a complete sham, there is a way to win things back. Actually have credible candidates that are not tied to Trump. Oz, Walker etc. are not credible candidates. Trump is responsible for telling voters in GA to not vote as he took his tantrum losing the election. Repubs lost the Senate. He is responsible for losing the election and now many of his midterm candidates just lost. What other proof does the GOP need to remove the current GOP leadership and turn the page? This is a toxic path the GOP is on and everyone can see it except them.
There are rumblings of the GOP collaborating to prevent Trump from getting the nomination. We can only hope.
Not sure how they can do that without pissing off his base that they will need though.
Root for indictment. It's the best path by far. Everything else is going to get messy
There is certainly a movement of people who want to move away from Trump now in the Republican Party. But, they are the ones that supported this monster by never standing up to him. So now the monster will devour the Republican Party itself. In the world of politics, it is what have you done for me lately. However, Trump still has the party. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-2024-president/
I don't think DeSantis wants to run against Trump. He is going to wait to see if Trump gets indicted. Otherwise, I think he stays out. That would be one unbelievably dirty race.
I don't think DeSantis wants to run against Trump. He is going to wait to see if Trump gets indicted. Otherwise, I think he stays out. That would be one unbelievably dirty race.
Most of them maybe (if they even vote at all without him on the ticket), 13% of his voters in 2016 voted for Obama once or both times. Think back to the end of the 2016 cycle, he started to coop Bernie's messaging around economic issues, free or reduce drug costs, etc. cherry picking what the public wanted. And ultimately did no such thing.
You can argue about the candidates but its clear many of the R policies are not popular with women and voters under 45. Evolve or die, are they going to double down on the Andy Briggs, Gaetz, MTG of the world or begin to moderate themselves?
That's not what I said. We really don't need to look that far back for an example of this happening. It happened in 2016 when Dems tried to hurt Bernie and help Hillary.
All that took was about 100,000 Bernie supporters staying home or voting for a 3rd party between PA, MI and WI instead of Voting for Hillary.
And that was with Bernie begrudgingly supporting Hillary. That's not going to happen with Trump. He is going to actively campaign against the republicans that colluded against him and Trump's base is loyal.
It's going to be a problem.
I have no doubt he will be a problem. Only cares about himself. The Hillary/Bernie comparison doesn't fit IMO, as they had completely different views and policies. If DeSantis is the lead candidate, his policies are pretty much in line with Trump's. That should be his pitch to the hard line Trump voter.
In addition, Democrats won all of the races this year by taking huge chunks of the Independent vote. That's where the race will be won again in 2024.
Those were not his hardcore base. There were clearly lots of independants that voted for Trump in 2020 as they were disgusted with Washington and saw Hillary as an awful choice.
None of them are running for President. Both parties have fringe nut-balls.
We are on the same page on what the messaging should be but I think where we disagree is in how loyal Trump's base is.
Video shows Trump supporters stomp on Ron DeSantis flag: "Trump or death!"
Trump supporters gathered outside Trump Tower to denounce DeSantis hours before the former president's "very big announcement" at Mar-a-Lago.
www.newsweek.com
^ Those are not reasonable people that will look at issues. They want Trump and only Trump, and in my opinion there will be more than enough of them to keep republicans from 270 electoral votes if Trump is actively fighting against the party.
Trump is not going to go out quietly. He will try to take every opponent down with him if he is not the nominee.
I'm really rooting for indictment. That is the cleanest break from Trump we can get which will be republicans a chance to regroup.
But what's that number of crazy supporters? IMO a small number but they get all the MSM and social media attention.We are on the same page on what the messaging should be but I think where we disagree is in how loyal Trump's base is.
Video shows Trump supporters stomp on Ron DeSantis flag: "Trump or death!"
Trump supporters gathered outside Trump Tower to denounce DeSantis hours before the former president's "very big announcement" at Mar-a-Lago.
^ Those are not reasonable people that will look at issues. They want Trump and only Trump, and in my opinion there will be more than enough of them to keep republicans from 270 electoral votes if Trump is actively fighting against the party.
Trump is not going to go out quietly. He will try to take every opponent down with him if he is not the nominee.
I'm really rooting for indictment. That is the cleanest break from Trump we can get which will be republicans a chance to regroup.
I prefer he go away. An indictment doesn't guarantee that, and in fact, makes him a martyr and more disruptive. Republicans need to put their big boy pants on and deal with him.
That's the question. Also depends if he is on the ballot as a 3rd party.
If he's on the ballot, forget it. He will capture 10%+ easily and ensure dems win.
If he's not and actively campaigns against the republican nominee I'd think he would only need to convince about 2-3% of the base to prevent the republicans from getting 270 and he probably has that.
I'd prefer he go away too but that doesn't seem to be an option.
I don't like it when the Dems did it to Bernie and I don't like the idea of doing it against Trump. Let the people decide who their nominee is. If they nominate a guy who drives the other party out to vote at an insane rate oh well.
As a third party candidate, that is really going to limit his ability to fundraise and run ads. As with most of the recent Presidential elections, it will come down to the same 7-8 states and can't begin to handicap if he does get on the ballot as a third party.
There is only one way that he goes away.
I don’t think you’re going to see a large slate of Republicans running. And if they do, and Trump gets any momentum, They will I’ll drop out quickly behind a candidate they believe can win.
Checking in on DeSantis and it's still not looking great for him against Trump (and even more so for everyone else in the poll against Trump). Does DeSantis announce soon? Or does he wait until 2028 when he doesn't have to run against an incumbent (assuming Biden runs for reelection)?
