SHU has a great day off!

[walshtrips]

Great results for SHU basketball today!​

USC GETS A QUAD 1 ROAD WIN WHICH WILL SURELY PUT THEM INSIDE THE NET 100, ELIMINATING ONE OF OUR QUAD 3 LOSSES. USC HAS TWO HOME GAMES LEFT, IF THEY BEAT ASU AND LOSE TO ARIZONA THAT SHOULD KEEP THEM INSIDE THE NET 100.​

IOWA PICKED UP A QUAD 1 ROAD WIN. SHOULD IOWA SQUEAK INTO THE NET TOP 50, A QUAD 2 LOSS WILL BECOME A QUAD 1 LOSS. IOWA HAS ONE GAME LEFT, HOME AGAINST ILLINOIS, IF THEY CAN UPSET ILLINOIS THEY WILL DEFINITELY BE INSIDE THE NET TOP 50.​

NOVA'S WIN TODAY MAY MAKE OUR WEDNESDAY GAME A QUAD 1 GAME, HUGE IF WE MANAGE TO BEAT THEM.​

If all this NET matrix stuff is legit we should see a decent jump in the NET rankings tomorrow.
ONE GAME AT A TIME _ GO PIRATES!!!

 

[shu09]

If you're expecting Seton Hall to move more than one or two spots in the NET on a day when the Pirates didn't play, you're going to be disappointed.

 

[walshtrips]

If you're expecting Seton Hall to move more than one or two spots in the NET on a day when the Pirates didn't play, you're going to be disappointed.

If we don't, it just proves that the NET metrics are crap. I wouldn't be disappointed either way, as wins/losses don't shape my mood or attitude.

Quad 3 losses are the only things that are hurting our NET rankings. In my effort to figure out the metrics, I've read that the metrics don't take point differentials into account, and that every Big East team has played a Top 50 schedule. Thus the only thing keeping us at 64 are the Quad 3 losses.

 

[TheHall87]

You're going to be disappointed because you are using all of this information with no context. It's like deciding that a 25-5 MAAC team is the same as a 25-5 Big East team. You're position that the metrics are crap is well noted and is only reinforced by the way you misapply the data.

No. 101 USC did get a Q1 road win over No. 67 Washington . Will that help USC's NET? Probably. It's a road win and they shoot very well from the floor. That last part will matter because it's part of the mathematical formula. However, there's probably not a lot of difference between these two team numbers wise and it's a bottom tier Q1 win -- one that would become a Q2 if Washington falls out of the top 75 (why can't that happen?). That said when we wake up tomorrow morning our loss to a 12-17 USC team should now be a Q2 loss.

Iowa at No. 60 in the NET also did get a Q1 road win over No 48 Northwestern. Again will it help Iowa's NET? Probably for the same reason as it would USC. The difference is Iowa defended poorly and allowed Northwestern to perform better than average -- that balances out. Plus, the two teams are relatively even in the NET by ranking. That means the game itself probably won't move things that much since the teams are considered nearly equal.

Here's where you're really going to be disappointed though. Today is March 2, not January 2. All four of those teams (and just about everybody else) has played 29 or 30 games. The more data there is in the system, the less of an effect new data has. It's a lot easier to move the needle with an individual game earlier in the season than it is at the end of the season.

Iowa is probably going to have a hard time getting from 60 to 50 and making our loss to them a Q1. USC is going to hover around that 100 mark the rest of the season. Even if both things happen, the Selection Committee is going to take those losses and recognize that not all Q3 wins and losses (and for that matter any quad) are created equal. The change in NET ranking doesn't make a loss to a 12-17 team any more appealing to our resume.

 

[shu09]

If we don't, it just proves that the NET metrics are crap.

Why are you (and many others) so obsessed with the NET? It's not crap. It's one tool among many used to evaluate and sort teams.

 

[SPK145]

When Seton Hall beats Villanova this week, Villanova will drop out of Quad 1 should they be that before the game.

 

[Gohall129]

The net movement is stupid imo. It should hold to where the team was at the time of the game. Makes things more difficult to track, but usc was a top 25 game for us.

Nova being hot sliding into a quad 1 matchup for us to win and have that invalidated and reverts to a quad 2 win is crazy

 

[shu09]

New Mexico lost at Boise St. Good result.

 

[TheHall87]

The net movement is stupid imo. It should hold to where the team was at the time of the game. Makes things more difficult to track, but usc was a top 25 game for us.

Nova being hot sliding into a quad 1 matchup for us to win and have that invalidated and reverts to a quad 2 win is crazy

USC was ranked top 25 by the writers and coaches, which only shows how flawed the polls are -- especially early in the season.

Also, there are no NET rankings prior to the first week of December (roughly a quarter of the way through the season). Even that is a small sample size but at least prevents completely absurd movements up and down based on one game.

 

[shu09]

Gonzaga and St. Mary's in action now. Most say Gonzaga is on the bubble, I disagree. I think they're in, win or lose tonight.

 

[NYC Pirate]

When Seton Hall beats Villanova this week, Villanova will drop out of Quad 1 should they be that before the game.

I get your point, but what happens if Villanova beats Creighton at home on Senior Day "After" we beat them?

 

[HallX2]

Moved 2 spots in the Net as a result of yesterday’s action. Now 62

 

[Piratz]

FWIW our NET is #62 today. Providence dropped to #63, Butler #68.

Villanova is #26. St. John’s remains #39.

 

[Fishjam]

Not concerned with our NET as much as our opponents. USC moved up to 96, Nova up 6 spots to 26.

Nova looks good and Wednesday's game is shaping up as our Super Bowl. Q1 Win for the Winner and will likely punch ticket. We have to fill the building and bring our A game

 

[Seton75]

You're going to be disappointed because you are using all of this information with no context. It's like deciding that a 25-5 MAAC team is the same as a 25-5 Big East team. You're position that the metrics are crap is well noted and is only reinforced by the way you misapply the data.

No. 101 USC did get a Q1 road win over No. 67 Washington . Will that help USC's NET? Probably. It's a road win and they shoot very well from the floor. That last part will matter because it's part of the mathematical formula. However, there's probably not a lot of difference between these two team numbers wise and it's a bottom tier Q1 win -- one that would become a Q2 if Washington falls out of the top 75 (why can't that happen?). That said when we wake up tomorrow morning our loss to a 12-17 USC team should now be a Q2 loss.

Iowa at No. 60 in the NET also did get a Q1 road win over No 48 Northwestern. Again will it help Iowa's NET? Probably for the same reason as it would USC. The difference is Iowa defended poorly and allowed Northwestern to perform better than average -- that balances out. Plus, the two teams are relatively even in the NET by ranking. That means the game itself probably won't move things that much since the teams are considered nearly equal.

Here's where you're really going to be disappointed though. Today is March 2, not January 2. All four of those teams (and just about everybody else) has played 29 or 30 games. The more data there is in the system, the less of an effect new data has. It's a lot easier to move the needle with an individual game earlier in the season than it is at the end of the season.

Iowa is probably going to have a hard time getting from 60 to 50 and making our loss to them a Q1. USC is going to hover around that 100 mark the rest of the season. Even if both things happen, the Selection Committee is going to take those losses and recognize that not all Q3 wins and losses (and for that matter any quad) are created equal. The change in NET ranking doesn't make a loss to a 12-17 team any more appealing to our resume.

Your explanation calmly shouts out why the metrics are crap. Beating a better team? Big deal. Shooting well when doing so. Wow. Great job.

Beat nova and metrics be damned. Lose and we will be nervous.

As you imply, the committee knows context. They know we are no longer the ooc team were were. They will see us as a team with 2 top ten wins and a good record in a league that has 11 teams and 9 of them are good. Cause they are basketball guys who watch games.

 

[Seton75]

When Seton Hall beats Villanova this week, Villanova will drop out of Quad 1 should they be that before the game.

So i guess we hope we lose...

 

[King of S]

Not concerned with our NET as much as our opponents. USC moved up to 96, Nova up 6 spots to 26.

Nova looks good and Wednesday's game is shaping up as our Super Bowl. Q1 Win for the Winner and will likely punch ticket. We have to fill the building and bring our A game

Wednesday is close to a sell out as of today.

 

[NYC Pirate]

Your explanation calmly shouts out why the metrics are crap. Beating a better team? Big deal. Shooting well when doing so. Wow. Great job.

Beat nova and metrics be damned. Lose and we will be nervous.

As you imply, the committee knows context. They know we are no longer the ooc team were were. They will see us as a team with 2 top ten wins and a good record in a league that has 11 teams and 9 of them are good. Cause they are basketball guys who watch games.

Good points. I also wonder how the committee will view our triple OT loss to Creighton? You lose in one OT and OK that happens, but three OTs mean you truly went punch for punch. a ref taking over 6 seconds to count to five??

 

[radecicco]

Get that call and we’re already in obviously.

 

[TheHall87]

Your explanation calmly shouts out why the metrics are crap. Beating a better team? Big deal. Shooting well when doing so. Wow. Great job.

Beat nova and metrics be damned. Lose and we will be nervous.

As you imply, the committee knows context. They know we are no longer the ooc team were were. They will see us as a team with 2 top ten wins and a good record in a league that has 11 teams and 9 of them are good. Cause they are basketball guys who watch games.

I hate to break it to you but most of the teams that we're fighting with have good records in leagues with lots of good teams. Hell, most of them seem to be in our league.

The Big 12 has 11 teams in the NET top 70, the Big East nine, the Big 10 and SEC eight, the ACC seven and the Mountain West has six.

If you cut off at 50, the Big 12 has ten, the ACC and MWC have six and the Big East and Big 10 have five each.

So how do we differentiate these teams? Two top 10 (really top 15) wins is a good start. Few, if any, of the teams were battling for position with can say they did that. Adding in the SJU sweep gives us two more top 40 wins and we have eight top 70 wins. Our road/neutral record is solid and our Q1/2 record is as well. A lot of it is taking care of business but there's a lot to be said for that.

On the down side, the Big East is the only P6 conference with two teams ranked above 200 in the NET. The SEC is the only other P6 with two teams above 150. That means (hopefully) four meaningless wins added to the other six from early in the season. Most teams have these wins so it's something of a wash but that's going to be half our wins. That can't be dismissed.

Our best OOC win is over an 8-21 Missouri team. Can any of the teams we're competing with say they have zero top 150 OOC wins? We lost to a 12-17 USC team at a neutral site and a 15-13 Rutgers team at home. We can say these games were early in the season but the UConn game was 11 days after the RU game. We can't just magically make the OOC go away.

 

[Piratz]

Good points. I also wonder how the committee will view our triple OT loss to Creighton? You lose in one OT and OK that happens, but three OTs mean you truly went punch for punch. a ref taking over 6 seconds to count to five??

They’re not going to get that deep IMO.

 

[SHUSA]

They’re not going to get that deep IMO.

if it was a blue blood on the bubble they would

 

[Piratz]

if it was a blue blood on the bubble they would

Yeah prob given those brands.

 

[SHUSA]

Yeah prob given those brands.

i remember 5 years ago they found every crevice of reason for syracuse to be in. but then looked like geniuses when they went tot the final 4 lol of course