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Isn't it amazing that during and now after last night we are focusing on computer generating metrics. When the only number that should be important is
13-7
13-7
Agree Dan, amazing how some people on this board are still so caught up on metrics. It has been clear for well over a month that SHU will be an outlier in NET rankings.
We are 13-7, and #4 seed in tourney, let’s celebrate that.
Seriously, when you play a net 300 team, the hope is to not fall places.
Here’s another stat:
What’s also odd and under the radar is Dawes has gone 3 consecutive games without scoring 10 points despite 5/11 from 3. Teams trying to take him away and really make us one dimensional.
First time since he’s been at SHU.
What’s also odd and under the radar is Dawes has gone 3 consecutive games without scoring 10 points despite 5/11 from 3. Teams trying to take him away and really make us one dimensional.
First time since he’s been at SHU.
And he had 9 assists last night and several were highlight stuff.
We had 3 games against teams that went winless in conference play. Doesn’t help the cause
DePaul x2
Mizzou (0-19) in the SEC
DePaul x2
Mizzou (0-19) in the SEC
They moved from 99-91. They didn’t move up in quad but prevented falling back into lower one with a loss
Yet we shot 50% and made 12 3’s. Kadary has to keep shooting the occasional 3 to keep them honest. If the continue to going under screens he needs to made them pay.
That doesn't matter either.
The number that matters is 20-11. The 13-7 is already baked into 20-11
The Selection Committee is less focused on conference record (not saying they ignore but it's not the major factor people believe) than they are overall record.
Who you beat and where you beat them are the biggest drivers.
Not just 13-7, but 13-7 where they played every team in the league twice. Interested if the committee accounts for that
yea "who you beat" is the only thing that matters. not the total record either (look at mid majors). but if you go 13-7 in a major conference it means youre decent.
So what? Every team in the BE won two games from DePaul. Then in other major conferences there are the Louisvilles and Michigans. Not quite as bad as DePaul but definitely awful. Every good team cleans up on those teams.
Yes, there are bad teams in every conference but Georgetown and DePaul are a special brand of resume killer. There are seven P6 teams with NET rankings above 150
ACC: Louisville - 214 (8-23/3-17)
Big 12: West Virginia - 159 (9-22/4-14)
Big East: Georgetown - 197 (9-22/2-18)
Big East: DePaul - 322 (3-28/0-20)
Pac-12: Oregon State - 162 (13-18/5-15)
SEC: Missouri - 157 (8-23/0-18)
SEC: Vanderbilt - 203 (9-22/4-14)
DePaul is more than 100 places below the next closest P6 program which basically puts them in a league of their own. The difference between the BE and the other P6 conferences is we are the only one that plays a balanced double round robin schedule.
That means every BE team has four of those meaningless conference wins (since Georgetown's only wins came against DePaul)
The only SEC team that played both Missouri and Vandy home-and-home was Florida.
LSU, Auburn, Tennessee and Kentucky played Vandy home-and-home while South Carolina, Texas A&M, Arkansas and Mississippi drew Mizzou home-and-home.
Take this a step further.
We played home-and-home with Georgetown and DePaul (a combined 12-50) two of the four worst P6 teams by NET ranking.
We played Missouri (8-23 and 0-18 in the SEC) -- one of seven P6 programs with a NET ranking above 150. Still, this was our best OOC win.
We lost to Rutgers (15-16) at home. They tied for 12th in the Big 10 at 7-13 in conference play ahead of only Michigan.
We lost to Southern California (14-17) at a neutral site. They tied for ninth in the Pac-12 at 8-12 with only Oregon State behind them.
It's a miracle we're in as strong a position as we are. The Georgetown and DePaul games are in buy-game territory given that Monmouth, the seventh-ranked CAA team by NET, is ranked 18 spots above Georgetown.
The non con profile for us is so bad it’s underrated around here, lol. I still cannot that team went 13-7 in the BE knocking off 2 of the best teams and nearly doing it to the 3rd.
The BE was bi-polar this year. You have three top-10 teams (1, 8, 10) and two teams that were dreadful 2-38 combined. In between that block of teams (from 4 to 9) beat those top-10 teams seven times (SHU had 2 of those wins).
SH beat every team in the conference except Creighton which was a stolen triple overtime loss; very impressive!
And came very close to winning all of their BE home games.
Only the stolen Creighton 3 OT game, and the Providence game without Richmond!
Then maybe Sha did earn COY as it's difficult to argue where we were in Dec before the conference season began.
I wouldn’t have a problem if he did win it. I think Danny should but wouldn’t object to Sha edging him out.
I can’t believe any one would have an issue with it. What Sha did was tremendous and they know it.
Yeah, the National Champs returning to go 18-2 in the BE was also a great achievement for Danny.
yeah well that Jerry Palm seems 2 be obsessed with computers with our last 4 in nonsense
Providence may well also be the only P6 bubble team with more Q4 wins than we have.
You can call it negativity but many here also refuse to consider any of the downsides of our resume.
Our negatives are WHY we are still on the bubble. It has taken all of the good we've done since the start of BE play to cancel out the hole we dug in the non-conference portion of the schedule.
Of course. But we have overcome the negatives to get to the right side of the bubble. Just saying to compare other bubble teams resume to ours. SHU is better. Sure something crazy can still happen but for bubble teams, we’re in good shape.
Semi related but I’m guessing the computers gave Cincinnati a bump in NET after their “efficient” 20 point drubbing of Kansas. Hopefully the humans know it was a very depleted Jayhawks team.
Imagine where we’d be if Richmond didn’t get banged up. We likely win Creighton and don’t drop the next 2. I know he played against CU but he was not himself. Missed a ton of shots he normally make. Just couldn’t finish. Likely ranked and top 6-7 seed right now. Frustrating.
We've been saying for weeks that Seton Hall will or will not get in based on accumulated wins primarily in conference. So on Selection Sunday The Hall will be either 14-8 or 13-8 in conference finishing in 4th place just behind three top 10 teams . The NET in our particular case will main!my be about seeding if we get a bid.
